At the end of the movie, once Credence joins up with Grindelwald (Johnny Depp), Grindelwald tells him that his true name is Aurelius Dumbledore. There's so many issues with this movie, I still love it but if it was pushed back 6 months maybe it wouldn't be so flawed. Perhaps so, and Albus is just keeping it in, waiting for the right time. This is where the theory could go in a few directions. Grindelwald claims that Credence is a mysterious missing Dumbledore and, given the fact that a phoenix appears to … One puzzling question hanging in the air as we wait for the next film is whether Albus knew that Credence/Aurelius was his brother. I agree though, the reveal on who Creedance really is, is going to be rather lackluster. I like this and all, but Grindelwald says "Your brother seeks to kill you," referring to Albus, to Credence at the big reveal. If he really is telling the truth, it’s likely to be confirmed in later movies, but for now it’s early to think Credence is actually Dumbledore’s long-lost brother - he still might This whole theory is based on the what you believe to be true. Or is there a theory? The ship's voyage was in 1901 and so the wiki is now saying that is probably when he was born. His brother, Aberforth, appears in Harry Potter and the … Wiki: “Ariana died when she was accidentally struck by a curse in a three-way duel between her older brothers and Gellert Grindelwald.”. We've also never heard of another Dumbledore sibling until now, which is weird when you consider that someone, somewhere, with all the wizarding powers in the world, could have sleuthed that skeleton out of the world renown Dumbledore family closet. From looking on various wikis there is this suggestion that Ariana died during a fight with Albus and Grindelwald and that they stopped being friends soon after. (There could even be a Time-Turner involved… but let’s please, please not go there.) She's probably building up to some sort of luke/vadar moment at the end of the fourth movie. It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. He has no clue that he will try to (and inevitably) break the pact. There is also I watched it today and my theory is that he is her son. Given that Grindelwald refers to Albus as Credence's brother, and assuming Grindelwald is telling the truth, then that means Credence can't be Ariana's child, as that would make Albus Credence's uncle. Fantastic Beasts Theory: Credence ISN'T A [SPOILER] In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, Gellert Grindelwald could actually be lying to Credence Barebone about his supposed true identity. By nature, the Obscurus takes on properties of its host, essentially becoming part of them. Aurelius Dumbledore, as Grindelwald names him. The big secret that Rowling has been sitting on for all these years, Ariana is an Obscurial. percival was sent to azkaban where he then died in 1890, kendra died in 1889 and credence wasn’t born until 1901. So when Grindelwald I believe that, if this is the case, Kendra must have had an affair and given birth to Credence; while Albus and Aberforth were away at school, Ariana was the only one around to discover the secret, and without her brothers around to calm her, she killed her mother by accident. Do you agree with me that Credence is the son of Percival Dumbledore? /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/ Credence is his brother only because the Phoenix showed up for Credence. Creedance is not blood related to Dumbledore, but instead hosts her Obscurus. But still possible considering. Leta Lestrange (Zoe Kravitz) confesses in the Lestrange tomb that she 'killed' her brother Corvus. You had so many chances to spell Credence right . We don’t know who killed her. Is Credence really related to Dumbledore? The proof, he says, is in the phoenix chick who came to Credence in his hour of … Was Grindelwald telling the truth? Percival was sent to At the end of the second film in the new series, Gellert Grindelwald (played by Johnny Depp) tells Ezra Miller’s Credence Barebone that he is actually Albus Dumbledore’s brother, Aurelius. Is Credence really Albus Dumbledore’s brother? SIGH From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.” .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{height:24px;vertical-align:middle;width:24px}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} Anyway, for the sake of the series and the fandom I hope the Credence is Dumbledore thing if just Grindelwald bulshit. 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But then Grindelwald calls him Albus' brother. Is it possible that maybe Dumbledore is trying to protect credence so HE sent the Phoenix to him? I dunno, maybe Rowling will try to introduce some contrived explanation to make Credence Ariana's son somehow - maybe make her an Obscurial, with him being a part of her that broke off (although wouldn't that make him some kind of Horcrux? And that Credence’s brother … Anyway, I don't want to go into who the father might be as it will all be explained in the sequel but this is my theory on how it's going to play out. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} Ariana was an Obscurial, thus creating an Obscurus. Credence is a Dumbledore, and his name is Aurelius. Just my opinion that I HOPE is wrong for the sake of the Harry Potter universe. ), or hell maybe make her alive and pin the final nail in the "let's ruin Albus's entire motivations and regrets" coffin, who the hell knows. Is he Leta's brother? Aurelius Dumbledore is the lost brother of Albus Dumbledore, revealed by Gellert Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald”. In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald, it's theoretically possible that Gellert Grindelwald lied to Credence Barebone about being Aurelius Dumbledore. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a father figure to Credence. Obscurials created by traumatic magical suppression. Maybe Grindelwald was lying? ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%}.isNotInButtons2020 ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{font-size:14px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:32px;text-transform:uppercase} Lots of exposition revealed through dialogue. That's really just the beginning of her tragedies. They don't just casually mention Dumbledore's sister's death while also talking about how close Grindelwald and Dumbledore are if they're not going to explore that duel that separated them and what happened. Therefore, the trauma she had from the attack caused her to become one at a young age. The dude is obviously lying and he is not his brother. Granted, both of these explanations are a stretch and trying to make sense of a contrived plot-twist. That’s literally where Fantastic Beasts 2 ends, and you may have some questions. She’s built for novels, and by Crimes of Grindelwald, you could tell it was a very novel-like plot. 2. Who is Credence really? This is an open area. If you've seen The Crimes of Grindelwald you'll know about the massive twist at the end, it's revealed that Credence Barebone is actually Aurelius Dumbledore. Ok, so he does say brother, but another theory is Credence is Ariana's son. Credence is a Dumbledore…because he is Ariana Dumbledore’s son. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Or are you just making fun of Aberforth’s affinity with goats??? The Dumbledores were the subject of much gossip, since Ariana was rarely seen, and a fist fight broke out at her funeral between her older brothers.How… Just like Credence from the trauma of his whole life situation. (just an opinion though). The Phoenix was always a part of the plan, and was just a tool to convince Creedance further. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Whoopdie-do! I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. 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Creedance is just a random child with an Obscurus, and Grindelwald needed something more powerful than himself and Albus to try to defeat him. Grindelwald, wanting to help Albus escape his guardianship of Ariana, fakes her death, maybe wipes her memory, and ships her off to who-knows-where (probably this one, so we can scapegoat the bad guy), Dumbledore, knowing she will be more safe and out of the way, and for his own ambitions, ships her off and fakes her death (too dark), Aberforth, fearing Grindelwald will hurt her one day, and because he loves goats so much, helps her escape to protect her (escape goat), Either way…she gets shipped off and SHE’S STILL ALIVE SIGH. Guess what? Was he lying? Credence is a Dumbledore. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… The short answer is no - Kendra was killed in June of 1899, and, again, Credence/Aurelius wasn't born until 1901 at the earliest, so it's not possible that Kendra is his mother. Credence is a Dumbledore…because he is Ariana Dumbledore’s son. Ehh, I don’t think she’s a sloppy writer, she just shouldn’t write screenplays. Grindelwald may not be intentionally lying, he may be misunderstanding the true reason for the return of the Phoenix. 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